Updates on Math in Escondido


On Jan. 20, 1998, the Escondido Union High School District (North eastern San Diego County, CA) board made some major changes in district mathematics programs. These changes are based largely on examination of the performance of students in the different programs on various nationally normed tests.

Escodido previously tried and dropped College Prep Math (CPM).


On Tuesday, June 3, 1997, the board in Escondido voted to offer students a choice of math programs beginning in September, 1997. This means that the parents of 7th and 8th grade students will be able to choose between the Glencoe program the district has been using and a more traditional program.]


On Tuesday, May 21,1996, the Escondido Union High School District Board of Trustees unanimously accepted the joint resolution agreed to by the Parents For Math Choice and the District Curriculum Council. The final vote on acceptance of this resolution should be held next month. Since the policy is set, however, the district is actively implementing it per our agreement. TRADITIONAL MATH, INCLUDING HONORS AND AP COURSES, WILL BE OFFERED TO ALL STUDENTS NEXT YEAR. This document is not everything Parents For Math Choice wanted, of course, (see original ABME) but it's a good start. We need to depend on our teachers to be the professionals they claim to be, and teach the traditional math classes with all the energy they have. We do not attempt to tell teachers how to teach, but expect they will respond appropriately for the optimization of student learning. Traditional math need not and likely should not be always taught in traditional ways, but all mathematical topics must be covered in the length of the course. Parents For Math Choice is excited about the advent of real CONTENT STANDARDS as part of the final agreement for our District. To this end, the Board of Trustees and the Superintendent were given copies of the Virginia Mathematics Standards as a starting point (found elsewhere on this web page). No matter what methods our teachers use to convey the topics covered by the Standards finally adopted, we expect student achievement in all areas. Attempts to provide dumbed down Standards with no real content will be resisted with great enthusiasm.

Finally, I would like to publicly thank our local Board of Trustees for listening to PARENTS on this important issue. At the end, the District also was more than gracious.

Final Wording of Compromise Document:

Whole Math in Escondido

We have had a plethora of Whole Math programs in the district. Two of the three High Schools had gone completely over to Whole Math for incoming freshmen: Orange Glen - This high school had two Whole Math programs all by itself.

San Pasqual High School

This school is absolutely in love with the Core Plus Mathematics Program (also CPM) from Michigan. (Note that the initials are the same as the previous program, but the math is totally different.) It is even newer than the IMP program, and may be somewhat better mathematically. It has a large social engineering content, but less so than IMP. One of the problems has students calculate the percent drugs in a person's body after they take them, and given a certain half life, how long it would take before the drug would dissipate to a certain level. (It would seem that Timothy Leary was a consultant on some of this program.) At any rate, it does not follow the traditional sequence and will not properly support traditional science classes, it is of a constructivist nature, promotes group-only student questions, has no practice problems, and stresses group work and writing about math.

Escondido High School

This was the only school with a nearly complete traditional program. There were a few students we learned in a CPM Davis Geometry class, but this is the minority of students. We have heard that the district will force a Whole Math program into the school as an offering, but at least they can't force traditional math out of the school as they planned. We admire this math department!





Update on Cottage Grove, Oregon

Here is our view of the evolution of IMP in our district. These observations are based on personal experience and the fact that our older son spent three years in this "feel good" program and didn't learn much math.
We first became aware of this "new" innovative program when he started high school. Background; he is a talented and gifted (TAG) identified student, made straight A's through the 8th grade, scores at 99.9 plus percentile on all norm referenced state and national math/science tests, and has an IQ of 137.

When we registered him for his Freshman classes, we were asked if he intended to go to college. He did and does. We were advised that the Interactive Math Program (IMP) was a college prep class developed at Berkeley and it contained more rigorous academics and higher standards than traditional math. [first lie] We were also advised that the only other choice would be an applied math course that is designed for those not planning to attend college or who could not achieve the high academic standards of IMP. [second lie] We were erroneously told that the traditional progression of Algebra I, Geometry and Algebra II would not be taught as the students would receive those classes in IMP. [third lie] We asked if he could get into ANY college in the U.S. with this class, we were told yes. [fourth lie] He had to fill out an application and a cover letter asking to be admitted to this program. (pure School-to-Work activity, but we didn't know it at the time. We were still blissfully ignorant of what was about to transpire over the next three years.)

We were not told that the IMP is integrated with English grammar, extreme environmental issues, HIV/AIDS instruction, social studies, science and geography.

We were not told that standards had not been developed.

We were not told that the academic content has been dumbed down to the point that only about 1/4 of the normal math content was being taught.

We were not told that students could only receive a grade of "A" or "B".

We were not told that MOST of the work was done in groups for group grades and the students who did not do their part of the group work caused the entire group to receive and in-progress (IP) and the students could continue to do the same work until everybody received and "A" or "B".

We were not told that students peer assessed themselves and their classmates, and the grading scale is I, S, F and U.

Each student is given a Rubric to follow. The Rubric Definitions, are also the grades that appear on the student's work are:

Keep in mind, this rubric is used by the students to grade themselves and each other. At the end of each week the students must write to the teacher and tell the teacher how he/she "feels" about their math. We call this the three bears syndrome as the questions are:

Is this problem to hard? Is this problem to easy? or Is this problem just right?

We became alarmed when math work started coming home with I's and F's on them. We went to the school and that is when were told about the rubric and the scoring system. We were also advised that most of the IMP does not have right or wrong answers. Students use the guess and check method, they estimate what the answer might be. There is no drill and skill, no formulas to figure out. All math is done with a calculator and only the estimated (if not the correct) answers are put on the answer sheets. This program does not use textbooks, they use math units (pamphlets) such as Alice and Wonderland, The Pit and the Pendulum, Orchard Hideout, Cookies, etc. The students do a lot of graphs and story book problems.

If you were to give either of my sons the following Algebra problems, neither of them could arrive at an answer. They have never seen such a problem presented in their classroom.

This is basic math at the high school level and they don't teach it. The IMP program does not prepare students for calculus, chemistry or physics. When he decided to take these classes he was advised by the school councilor that he did not have the proper foundation for these classes and would be better off taking Principals of Technology and a fourth year of IMP. He took the more rigorous classes and his teachers have spend a lot of time "re-teaching" what he should have learned in 9th and 10th grade. (just an aside, the Spanish teacher had to spend about 6 weeks teaching basic English grammar before he could teach Spanish. We do not have an English Grammar class at Cottage Grove High School)

Once the student entered the IMP class, they had to stay. Traditional math was dropped last year and the applied math program was implemented this (1995-96) school year. It is really a dumbed down class. My 8th grader challenged the entire 9th grade curriculum with no preparation and moved into the second year of applied math.

As parents became more concerned with what was happening with math at the high school level, we began to search for answers and help. We contacted colleges at random across the country. Most were not familiar with IMP. The Calif. colleges said they would except our kids and this math program, but our kids would probably have to be remediated at the Freshman level. My husband (a former instructor at the U.S. Naval Academy) has been tutoring him since mid year of his freshman year. Other students are staying in the class (they need the credits) and are being tutored privately afterschool and on weekends. This should not happen. The school should provide our students with basic traditional math. They don't.

The good news is, I found your group, Mathematically Correct and began a correspondence with you and other members. Using the information you provided me, (thanks) I began to share your messages with other parents and teachers. As a result, three of our math teachers have refused to teach applied math next year. They fought and won the privilege of teaching Algebra I, Geometry and Algebra II. This stand was a brave one as our teachers have been told to get on board with this program or get out (documented on tape). IMP is still going to be available on an opt in basis but I suspect their won't be many students opting into the program. The help of your group (and the information) is giving our parents hope.


IMP Woes in Oregon

Only part of the education problems in Oregon are related to IMP. Legal action against the Oregon Educational Act for the 21st Century is beginning. Here are some examples that may become part of the background for this case.